Carnegie Library Move Postponed

Due to a logistical snag, we will have to wait a few weeks to see the Carnegie Library move. All plans to commemorate this event will take place as planned when on the day it happens.

Rob Loscalzo of Tritec contacted the Friends of the Carnegie Library today to inform us the Carnegie Library move Scheduled for Midnight July 24th into 25th will be postponed. All activities for this event, including the gathering at Roast Coffee that night, will be postponed as well.

Mr. Loscalzo reported to me that a snag in negotiations with the Village and the owners of a property on West Avenue adjacent the Village Sewer Treatment Plant that was essential in utilizing for the move has caused the delay. The tentative rescheduled move date is August 8th.  We will provide more details as they become confirmed.

This delay may actually be a net positive since Mr. Loscalzo also informs me County Legislator Rob Calarco is working quickly to secure a temporary agreement that will allow the Carnegie Library to be moved directly to the County property on West Ave and Main Street that will ultimately be the buildings final home.

The Friends of the Carnegie Library still plan to hold a gathering event the night of the move. Again, more details will follow soon.

To reconfirm: The Carnegie Library WILL NOT be moving July 24th.  Still, this historic building is still being saved and moved soon and this delay should not be considered a set back at all.

All good things are worth the wait. Please stay tuned.

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John Bogack July 24, 2012 at 04:41 PM
Joe. Just to clarify the issue of moving expenses you raised in an earlier post. I was also in attendance at last night's board meeting and it was as they say quite informative. In fact information that I have provided about moving expenses is now out of date and inaccurate. Tritec for its part said it would pay for one and only one move. I believe you predicted that. Now since the building is being moved to the site where it will hope to be sited permanently a second "move" is not going to be as complex or as expensive. That second move, a relocation on site is due most likely to the fact that testing is not done yet for any hazardous underground materials. Plus the issue of a basement is not decided yet either. Tritec made it clear it was paying for a concrete slab but said that if the village did want a basement that it could do that work but for a price not specified last night. In addition the Mayor said that associated costs for the relocation of the building are now estimated to be in the range of one hundred thousand dollars. Insurance for the building, which Tritec is donating for nothing once the building reaches the site in August, overtime for the day of the move, all sorts of other expenses related to moving a one hundred year old historic building. He made it quite clear the village does not have a long range plan to keep paying and he said that the process of finding an end user to take the building would be accelerated to reduce costs.
Joseph Adriano July 24, 2012 at 05:47 PM
Thanks John. My father always said, "never ask a question you don't already know the answer to." My next question would then be, why are they only revealing now that they are agreeing to pay for only one move? For people that are lauded by your group for being so wonderfully cooperative and so "open and honest," they sure are selective with their release of information. When the Village first announced they would move it to a "holding facility" and then to the final destination, did they know that Tritec would only pay for one move? If so, how did they plan to finance the 2nd move? Was this ever even discussed by the trustees? If not, like I said....it was very naive for them to believe that Tritec would finance both moves. Somehow I don't think that naivety is at play here. At least not where the Mayor and Tritec are concerned.
David Kennedy July 24, 2012 at 06:30 PM
Hello Joseph, as John stated the mayor made clear numerous times he would have Tritec move the building twice. I hold firm that if a larger second move was needed Tritec would have made that second move as well. It should also be known that Tritec was only contractually committed to one move as per the original agreement. Tritec has delivered on everything they agreed to do with respect to the Carnegie Library. A second move only became needed because the Village couldn't come up with a final location in a timely manner. The delay allowed the County more time to finalize a temporary agreement. I repeat that bot Tritec and the Village have been open and honest with all there communications with the Friends of the Carnegie Library and I know Mr. Bogack would concur with me on this.
Joseph Adriano July 24, 2012 at 06:37 PM
I'm not sure why you feel the need to repeat yourself so often about the honesty of the Mayor and Tritec. I think everyone knows your feelings on that subject by now since you seem intent to repeat this and compliment the Mayor and Mr. Loscalzo in every post you make. My question is why did you think Tritec was FINANCING both moves when that was not their intention?
craig t July 24, 2012 at 06:58 PM
You would make a good PR mascot for the village!
David Kennedy July 24, 2012 at 07:09 PM
Gee, Joseph, you seem rather repetitive yourself in many posts about your feelings regarding Tritec, the Village and the New Village project...in a nutshell...you don't like it...how many times have you stated "too many apartments" in your posts about the four corners project? Do you hold the exclusive in repeating your personal opinions? Why do you believe it was not Tritec's intention to make a second move? We could go back and forth, I doubt we will change each others mind. But we should both be glad a second large move is not necessary. Sorry you are annoyed I am thankful for the Village and Tritec having this building saved...this was the only reason I got invoved with this issue to begin with. We are all entittled to our opinions, this includes repeating our opinions if we want.
Joseph Adriano July 24, 2012 at 07:13 PM
Okay so since we are being repetitive here why did you think Tritec was FINANCING the move twice?
John Bogack July 24, 2012 at 07:17 PM
Joe I think Dave has been stressing good faith dealings with the Mayor and Tritec because quite honestly it has gotten to the point that if the Mayor told a person what time it was someone would want to know if he was getting something for it. And I guess that would go for Tritec too. While the contract does specify that Tritec would pay for one move the Friends executive board was told that negotiations were in progress to get Tritec do do more. It would seem those negotiations did not succeed. But who knows maybe Tritec will change its mind over the next few months. It would be a good move on Tritec's part for it as a good corporate neighbor to pay for a second move, even the basement. I don't think we are talking about huge sums for them. It would also put Tritec squarlely in the role of saving the day by helping to make sure that this historic building really got the start it needs to be a viable office space for a future end user. It is the cost of good will to them, I believe that may even be a tax deductible business expense. I always like to believe the best so I am still hoping that before the dust settles a better outcome is still possible. There is still time to make that happen and I think that there are people out there who are going to try and make that happen to the best extent that they can.
Joseph Adriano July 24, 2012 at 07:17 PM
DId I mention Patchogue is becoming a concrete jungle with too many condos and apartments?
Joseph Adriano July 24, 2012 at 07:22 PM
Hey John thanks for a balanced and honest response. And I agree with you. It is my opinion that Tritec and/or the Village misled your group into thinking the 2nd move was going to be financed by Tritec when that was not in fact the case. That is why I keep asking the same question even though I know the answer already. Good luck guys.
David Kennedy July 24, 2012 at 07:44 PM
Yes John...thank you very much...and I appreciate working with you on all this...always great to have a sane and rational voice.
dj75katmandu July 24, 2012 at 07:54 PM
Dudes what about the free coffee and beer? Can't these hot shots foot the bill for this at least
John Bogack July 24, 2012 at 08:09 PM
dj75katmandu: the next time I see the Mayor I will ask him but after last night's meeting about avoiding future costs I think he might be asking you to foot the bill.
David Kennedy July 24, 2012 at 08:15 PM
dj...contact me a dmk11772@yahoo.com...I'll buy you a beer at your patchogue place of choice this weekend...love to chat with you over a rasta rye.
dj75katmandu July 24, 2012 at 08:19 PM
Dude who do you think I am Daddy Warbucks? Damn those Tritec hotshots gave me a free coffee a few months ago when I was hangin at Roast with a crashin hangover...it can't hurt a dude to ask much appreciated Bo
Tom Olsen July 24, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Seems to me if these folks led the Friends to believe that they were going to pay for a second move....they aren't so open and honest after all! And why can't they pay all moving costs in total with that one million dollar grant they got from NY state?
Lee July 25, 2012 at 01:52 AM
Hey Tom, It's obvious that Tritec is not honest....BUT... there are none so blind as those who refuse to see!!
steven July 25, 2012 at 02:44 AM
Kudos to the village cheerleaders for wanting to believe the best in the Mayor Crook and Tri-tec. Here comes the slums
jimmy murphy July 25, 2012 at 03:13 AM
Something stinks in Denmark!
Laura July 25, 2012 at 05:18 PM
wow! ok! so now i am really confused! i may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but let me get this straight! tritec only paying for one move...but agreeing to pay all of it? so what is this 100 thou the mayor is talking about! is tritec paying all the moving expenses for this one move or not! why is the village paying anything?! john b please enlighten us little munchkins!
David Kennedy July 25, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Hello Laura. As of today the Village is paying nothing. What the Mayor stated at the last Board meeting is that they anticipate there would be future costs to the Village once the building is moved that could total $100K. These costs include the site preparation to have the building permanently placed at the site, insurance for the building and other costs associated with being the owners of the building. I think what may get lost in all this is what was originally proposed for this building. When Tritec first proposed their Four Corners development they stated they would move the Carnegie Library and gift the building to the Village. This will make the Village the owners of the building. In fact it was the possible costs of owning this building that made the Mayor and some of the Trustees question if saving this building was the best thing to do. When these questions arised back in Novemeber is when myself, Mr Bogack and few dozen others formed the Friends of the Carnegie Library to make sure all efforts to save it were followed through. Now it will be saved, given to the Village as promised, and those same costs for the Village to own it still exist. This is why the Mayor also stated he wants to transfer ownership of the building by September so therer would be no more cost to the Village. Just speaking for myself, I am glad the Mayor is now willing to lay out some funds until a suitable new owner can be found and this important part of our History will be saved.
Laura July 25, 2012 at 06:18 PM
ok! thanks mr. kennedy but mr. bogack's statement made me think the village was paying for moving related costs not for maintenance costs! i know i'm not the brightest star in the galaxy but that is what i interpreted from this! thx!! "In addition the Mayor said that associated costs for the relocation of the building are now estimated to be in the range of one hundred thousand dollars "overtime for the day of the move, all sorts of other expenses related to moving a one hundred year old historic building"
Laura July 25, 2012 at 06:32 PM
wow! ok! my cuz just saw my post here and emailed me this quote from the friends of carnegie on facebook so now i'm still really confused!! "The Mayor indicated that the village bill just for move related expenses, insurance, overtime, and a host of other related expenses could amount to 100,000."
David Kennedy July 25, 2012 at 06:50 PM
Your welcome Laura...and when Mr. Bogack stated "associated costs for the relocation..." I think he was refering to moving the building to the the permanent location. When the building arrives to West Avenue and Main Street on early morning Aug 9th it will sit temporarily on one part of the property while the permanent location elswhere on the property is prepared. Once ready the building will have to be placed on there, that move will be paid for by the Village. Once the building is placed on the site on Aug 9th the Village becomes owners of the building, Tritec has agreed to cover costs associated with a foundation for the building, all other costs associated with the Library will be the responsiblity of the owner of the building. As Mr. Bogack stated, there is still room for negotiations and we remain hopefull the Village can get Tritec to do more. But as of right now all attention is on the move. While the the moving company feels confident the move will go well there are no guarantees it will. Ceratinly if something drastic happens to the building during the move everything changes. All we can do now is keep our fingers crossed and enoy the site of this building on the move when it happens.
Laura July 25, 2012 at 07:00 PM
wow! ok! so no cost at all to the village on the first move! not a penny to the tax payers. yay! are the amish people really moving the building? will they have to shut all the street lights off? maybe u should serve penn dutch pretzels ;) they are high carb but low in fat!!
David Kennedy July 25, 2012 at 07:01 PM
Hey Laura, just saw your new post...I think my previous post explains all...but to summerize....all the Village's possible costs will be after the Village gets ownership of the building...the Village becomes owners once the building arrives on West Avenue and Main St. Hope you come down and watch the move, would be great to meet you in person.
Lee July 27, 2012 at 11:44 PM
Hey Laura, If Tritec promises it, don't believe it!!
betsy smith July 30, 2012 at 03:56 PM
It really is extraordinary that the charming but quite ordinary vernacular Brickhouse building was incorporated into the design of the Tritec proposal but the library was not.
Joseph Adriano July 30, 2012 at 04:01 PM
Tritec does not own the Brickhouse property. They own the library....and they don't want it as part of their development.
Archie Bunker August 07, 2012 at 03:18 PM
Joseph - You bring nothing to table in terms of informative discussion but love to make little snipes and point fingers. You're alienating yourself and looking foolish doing so.


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