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Village Bars Form Committee to Address Late Night Issues

Committee to meet monthly to discuss nightlife concerns.

A group of Patchogue Village businesses that serve alcohol have formed a committee to discuss issues on how to help and maintain good community and business practices in regards to the Village's nightlife and restaurant scene, local publicist Rick Eberle has told Patch. 

The committee, which was just formed and currently consists of four members–Perabell, Bobbique, Public House and The Emporium–will meet on the first Monday of each month. The meetings will be open to owners/management of Village businesses. They are not open to the general public, but Eberle said Village officials, police, public safety and the chamber of commerce president are welcome to attend. 

The committee has been formed in the wake of concerns over intoxicated people causing trouble late at night in the Village. Local officials and police have already outlined steps, including an increased police presence, being taken to combat the problem. 

The Emporium, Public House and Bobbique are all open until 4 a.m. on Friday and Saturday nights, when most of the trouble has been reported. Perabell closes at 11 p.m. on those nights. 

From Eberle:

The committee will meet as follows:

Feb. 4 at 9 p.m. - Perabell
March 4 at 9 p.m. - Bobbique
April 1 at 9 p.m. - Public House
May 6 at 9 p.m. - The Emporium

Possible topics to be discussed:
• Lack of taxi service on the weekends on Main Street- Increase
taxi service 1am-4am in Village (we will reach out to taxi companies)
• Looking at ways to increase security presence on Main Street
from 2am-4am
• Cleaning program for Main Street and address the concerns of
protecting the storefronts
• Parking solutions

All attendees should come prepared with topics and issues they would like to address.

Archie Bunker January 12, 2013 at 04:11 PM
If we are too assign blame, I think it should be in this order: #1 - the Individual who drinks too much and acts a fool #2 - the police, it only makes sense that an increase presence be in areas where bars are We are talking about adults here, over 2 years old. You walk into an establishment in sound mind and make a choice. There are consequences. To blame the bars/restaurants is plain old silly. Maybe they are the easy target here? Where's the individuals' responsibilities for their own actions?
David Kennedy January 12, 2013 at 05:24 PM
Mr or Mrs Long Time, I never said we will "solve" anything on here, but I do encourage as much public dialogue and discussion; information and education, as possible, whether here, or at a public meeting, our amongst a committee of individuals with differing points of view...for me the bottom line is we all care about this community, we all want to see it succeed, and many are willing to volunteer there time and unique perspective in creating a consensus to that end...we just need to manage that better. Village Hall needs to stop the "Don't worry, we'll take care of it" while failing to capture public interest to be part of the discussion...and residents need to stop the attacking of officials, business owners and between each other, it accomplishes nothing towards these ends. Just throwing my hands in the air and waiting to see what happens is not a position I subscribe to...democracy requires participation to function properly.
Joseph Adriano January 12, 2013 at 07:20 PM
When is that Citizens for Honest Government crew gonna host that quality of life meeting? I work nights but I will write in some suggestions for you. Here's one: I saw lots of fresh vomit in town this AM. Maybe the Mayor in his new taxpayer owned Jeep can drive around and clean it up for us every Saturday morning? We could give him some rubber gloves and a mask for sanitary purposes?
Jo Miller January 12, 2013 at 08:07 PM
Concerned: I think there is something between Patchogue as ghost town and Patchogue as destination for uninhibited revelry. However, a little more thoughtful planning might have anticipated these problems and led to choices for a more balanced Main St. We do have a lot of drinking establishments. I agree that individuals are responsible for their behavior. If they need a bartender to monitor their intake of booze, they are not mature enough to be drinking. Bartenders are baartenders and not mothers. Things are not ideal, however, and the cooperation and effort of the bar owners is needed and appreciated.
John Bogack January 12, 2013 at 09:19 PM
Joe the Campaign for Open Village Government has suspended its effort to host a community wide quality of life forum. Great idea but we are pretty occupied with the effort to videotape Board meetings and we have decided to focus on that project and monitoring the village's response to the recent audit of village finances by the State Comptroller. We are after all a small group of private citizens trying to provide a service which we still think the village itself should provide just as the Town of Brookhaven provides on Channel 18 for the public. This Monday the Board will be meeting for the first time at its new time of 6 p.m. It's unknown at this point whether this new time will encourage more public turnout or less. But in any event the videos that have been posted on the net over the past few weeks have universally been praised as a source of information about how the village board is actually operating. We want to keep that public information campaign going. I am sure that at the next meeting and meetings to come many of the issues that have been discussed in this thread will surface for more discussion and action So sorry no forum for now at least sponsered by our group but now you know why.
Patchogue Snoop February 09, 2013 at 11:53 AM
Joe, You hit the nail on the head. Spread the blame and hide. This started with the illegally formed, with Pontieri's secret blessing, Dublin Deck, Harbor Crab and the Oar. Then snowballed. It's hard to say no after approving these venues. Residents be damned the show must go on.....PP is in their pockets and can't say no now.
Patchogue Snoop February 09, 2013 at 12:01 PM
I reread all the posts again. yelling at the crooks in Village government is a waste of time. The bar owners are doing nothing but figuring a way to keep the money flowing into their greedy pockets. Spend the time to write a letter to you local hack at the state level and demand an investigation by the State Liquor Authority. Demand an investigation of the Village and site your reasons why. The state wudit only recommends. It is obvious there may be some criminal activity in the Village particulalry with our Mayor. How does this guy Pontieri steal gas from Village residents, sell his car illegally through a laundering scheme with his used car dealer cousin to make himself a lousey couple grand and make secret loans with Village money stay out of jail these days?? Then have the b******* to make hardworking Village residents who may be struggling in this economy to put food on their table to fund his luxury SUV. Unreal!! 2.2 square miles, I can walk it.
patty temptee February 10, 2013 at 04:23 PM
and now override the tax cap? how much more ? it's out of control.
Gerald Rothaus February 11, 2013 at 01:49 AM
My final analysis: NY's Alcoholic Beverage Control law (N.Y. ABC. LAW § 65 : NY Code - Section 65: Prohibited sales, http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/ABC/5/65) says: 'No person shall sell, deliver or give away or cause or permit or procure to be sold, delivered or given away any alcoholic beverages to 1. Any person, actually or apparently, under the age of twenty-one years; 2. Any visibly intoxicated person;' It then goes on to explain some of the penalties for the act. I know from my clients, many of whom are restaurants, bars, liquor stores and beer distributors, that the penalties are severe. If the problem is these vendors selling alcohol to intoxicated people, NY State should be notified, for they are the proper authority in this case. The bar or restaurant owner and staff can be fined, lose their license or worse. They are, according to New York State, quite responsible, and could actually be sued if something bad happened. :)
Robert March 09, 2013 at 04:58 PM
With the recent board, Patchogue has undergone great changes. However; the main topic of this discussion is the lack of parking, as a result of the Emporium. Business owners are suffering because their customers can't access parking to get to their stores. I live close by and many times are unable to find parking and then we just leave the town and go somewhere else. I still don't understand how the Emporium was allowed in that location, when it appears to be obvious that their customers are overflowing to all available parking spaces.
Wendy Blake March 10, 2013 at 09:55 PM
I suggested in a previous posting using a valet service would go a long way toward solving the parking issues. Residents should be given parking stickers allowing them to park anywhere in the village. Mark specific spots in each lot as 1 hour parking for businesses so their customers are able to patronize them. Let larger businesses such as the Emporium utilize a valet company. The valets could park cars in other lots that don't normally get used in the evening. Perhaps even in the LIRR lot. That could also work for other restaurant s and clubs in the area. The charge for parking should cover the valet service and if not perhaps the business owners could subsidize it. It works in other places. Why not in Patchogue.
Robert March 11, 2013 at 01:28 AM
Creative ideas will solve this. I still don't understand the logic of allowing the Emporium customers access to all available parking. When the parking availability study was performed, how did this pass? Meaning, with the certificate of occupancy being around 800 or so plus or whatever is allowed, was there enough available spaces for these customers, without adversely affecting parking for business customers? It only seems that parking has been an issue since the Emporium has opened.
John Bogack March 11, 2013 at 01:59 PM
Robert: here are some facts about the Emporium.The owners took advantage of certain provisions in the law which they were entitled to do. For example the property is zoned in such a way that its parking needs are PRESUMED by law to be adequate. It never had to show a parking plan for its customers as part of the approval process. BTW this loop hole in the zoning law remains on the books and can be used by any number of new businesses that want to come to the village including let us say just for fun another mega sized club. Two the owners inherited the previous occupancy level for the site. They actually REDUCED their legal occupancy to about 1200 or so patrons from the prior standard. The various parking studies that occurred connected to the Tritec project did not take into account the opening of a club the size of the Emporium, perhaps they should have in retrospect, but those involved never did. Clearly the village needs several hundred new parking spaces perhaps a thousand. Village officials have been talking about parking meters to raise money to buy land to build lots upon which more meters will be installed. Plus new signs to direct traffic to parking and that is the more immediate of the steps the village plans to take. The village seems to be moving ahead as fast as it can but the pace remains slow. The summer ahead should be one hell of a summer.
Robert March 12, 2013 at 02:50 AM
John, Thank you for the most definitive answer, thus far. I had a feeling that something was odd with the approval process and I feel bad for the residents close by as well as the business owners. Patchogue has come a long way and made great strides with current Mayor and board, but this was a clear mistake and/or oversight. As you said, this needs to be addressed with the highest of priority as it is effecting quality of life and business revenue. If in fact this loophole remains for any other mega sized club to open, that should be addressed as well, meaning closing that loophole. It is now obvious to all that the parking has only become an issue since the opening of the Emporium and this needs to be resolved with a sense of urgency. I have heard many responses from business owners thus far, relating to their customer's not being able to park at their establishment. Hopefully, the new steps in place will resolve this issue.
Joseph Adriano March 12, 2013 at 02:54 PM
The parking study the village asked the BID to do last year was a sham to convince the world there was enough parking in patchogue village. Any moron could see that the study was clearly as deficient as their bogus financial auditing. The VOP is more concerned with getting positive PR than with doing the right thing for the businesses and taxpaying residents of the Village.
John Bogack March 12, 2013 at 03:03 PM
Robert thanks. I would like to add this too: there is a history to be taken into account. Not that long ago the Patchogue First Party was formed to combat a neglected and decaying down town. Many have spoken of the ghost town look of the village. PF said we need "feet on the ground" to revive mainstreet. Approvals were granted for new housing and the enterainment sector of the village was given a green light to invest in the village and expand. In a few short years in all came to be but somewhat in excess. More disturbingly the process could not be turned off once the on switch was pushed. Now neighborhoods are reeling from higher levels of traffic, pedestrian traffic as well and a host of social problems the heart of which it appears to be me is this. Good thing to be a "destination", good thing to be a "music capital" all good things but not so good when outsiders have no sense of place. It's not their village that is being littered or vandalized or hurt. Now we who live here, or work here are becoming second class citizens where we live. Up to us to stand up and say no and demand change. Last night I attended the village Board meeting. If there were a dozen resident there I would be surprised. If a hundred did show up consistently to say enough is enough I sense that the revitalization of the village would balance out interests more fairly. Civic action not community apathy is what is needed now. I can only hope that idea will take root while there is still time.
Robert March 13, 2013 at 12:52 AM
John, great feedback. I may have not been at the board, but I consistently review board minutes. You are right on target about the path that Patchogue is proceeding on and suggestions on how to right the ship. Great strides have been taken to revitalize Patchogue, but the latest Emporium fiasco is purely a misstep. You seem to have a good pulse on Patchogue and I have seen some suggestions to alleviate the parking debacle, which is the Emporium. Did any residents/other express concern relating to this issue at the board meeting last night? I have seen in the past the board has addressed varying issues such as Mama Lomabardis parking with some good ideas. The same needs to be done ASAP with the Emporium. I have read and heard other business owners are not happy with their customer's having access to their shops (see Cupcake Owner above) as well as others. Maybe a petition will be of value to gather some steam and voice their concern.
Robert March 13, 2013 at 12:58 AM
Joseph, did they even actually perform a parking study? John Bogack was saying that there was some sort of loophole and parking was presumed to be sufficient. Either way, something needs to be done about the Emporium parking, as I stated in earlier posts. Many times we can't even find one spot to access varying businesses, even get a slice of pizza at Ginos!
Joseph Adriano March 13, 2013 at 01:26 PM
Hey Rob the village helped the BID conduct a parking study last year to prove to VOPers that there was PLENTY of parking in the village even with the enormous apartment building going up on main. They insisted there is a SURPLUS of parking! The mayor even had his loyal deputy dogs out measuring parking spots to help prove their case. They conveniently left out the Emporium out of their study even though this was already in the works and the board was well aware of their impending arrival. Whoops! Surely an honest mistake, eh?
Joseph Adriano March 13, 2013 at 01:29 PM
Thanks JB I agree about civic action but shouldn't these elected folks do the right thing even if no one is watching? Thanks again for taping the board meetings so those of us that work nights can see firsthand some of nonsense that goes on up there.
John Bogack March 13, 2013 at 02:05 PM
People who come to the Board for parking relief are not coming on behalf of the larger community. Individual business owners like the Roast for example have been asking the Board to carve out special fifteen minute zones for their single business. The Board does have an over all strategy in mind but my concern is that by the time that meters are rolled out and land bought it may be too late. I think what has to happen is that a bond should be sought now to fund the purchases that need to be made so that a year from now there will actually be some new spaces in the village in large numbers. It's a process to free up land and convert it to parking use and the longer the village waits the higher danger that once the Tritec buildings come on line what we have in the village today will look like a golden period. BTW instead of reading the miinutes the Patch has been posting video of the meeting provided by the Citizens Campaign for Open Village Government. In fact the videos that have been posted are cached on the Patch and can be reviewed if you have not seen them. Lastly I want to take note that the owners of the Emporium recently anounced in Newsday that this St. Patrick's day weekend that they are investing 6 thousand dollars in taxi vouchers for their customers to avoid drunken and drugged driving. That is a positive step. And thanks to the owners for doing so.
John Bogack March 13, 2013 at 03:24 PM
Joe, the videos serve many purposes. Provided by the volunteer work of residents under the banner of the Citizens Campaign for Open Village Government they are a window on village life. If they serve an anti-corruption purpose that's a good result. But the intent is much larger. Neither the Patch, or Newsday, or the LI Advance ever cover all that does occur at those meetings. Those editors have to make choices and much has gone unreported over time because something that has happened at a meeting did not fit into the definition of news. We felt that left too much out. So what you do see is village life as it is: the best of it, the worse of it, and everything in between. What we as a group wanted to do, still want to do, is simply make sure that a public record existed that all could see. What results from that in time, as in any democratic society and yes we live in one lest we forget, rests with the people as a whole not the few. Call me corny, call me naive, maybe I a bit of both but I believe in America and there is nothing more basically American than to keep hoping that the promise of self government, what our revolution was about some many centuries ago still also rings true today.
Robert March 14, 2013 at 01:57 AM
John, had a chance to watch the board meeting taped by Greg Powers. Good job and I also previously read the minutes in its entirety. I also think you have a good idea about possibly purchasing some open land, as many spaces will be needed as a result of the major shortage of parking from the Emporium. I am sure the board is reviewing the parking meters and if additional security will be needed to enforce, but as you say it may be a long time coming and/or not enough to rectify the parking dilemma. What is the feedback to you and/or your group from business owners such as Bobbiques, J&R and others who have had their parking limited to nothing as a result of the Emporium. I think if a study would be conducted, one would find that revenue has taken a direct hit from their customer's not being able to access their establishments. Taxi vouchers are a good thing from Emporium, but does not assist in the parking situation. Can the board make or assist the Emporium in purchasing the proper parking lot? I believe there was something similar for Mama Lombardis.
Robert March 14, 2013 at 02:09 AM
Joseph, as you said, (even with minutes and tapings) I don't know if I recall ever reading anything about the lack of parking or parking studies relating directly to Emporium. Does anyone know , including John B. if this was ever mentioned in any board meetings, meaning not just the parking meters but the total lack of parking DIRECTLY from Emporium? John B. previously mentioned a loophole and I was also wondering if that was ever discussed in any board meeting.
John Bogack March 14, 2013 at 05:02 PM
Get ready because I think the other shoe is about to drop! Just saw in today's Adance that the Village Planning Board will be looking at a site plan later this month for a new assisted living facility that will be built somewhere on Maple Ave. This is not going to be as shoe box and it will be interesting to see how parking will be handled for this new business that may bring to the other side of main street some of the same parking pressures as the Emporium simply because any new parking demands are now going to be amplified while parking as a whole is problematic. That meeting is going to be videotaped by the Citizens Campaign for Open Village Government which on an issue by issue basis is now going to expand its videotaping efforts beyond meetings of the Patchogue Village Board. And since this has come up just recently those interested in this effort should know that the campaign has no set agenda. We are simply videotaping to educate the public. No group whether private or public reports in any way to the campaign and I mention this to clarify this point. We provide a civic service but the Campaign itself is not a civic organization. Knowledge is power but how that power is exercised is up to the people of Patchogue Village to decide whenever they choose to do so.
Joseph Adriano March 14, 2013 at 06:00 PM
Well done JB and the Citizens for Honest Government! Air that dirty laundry before it's swept under the rug just like the Emporium.
Robert March 15, 2013 at 01:17 AM
Hopefully this will be handled properly, meaning the parking. We can't have another misstep like the Emporium. Additionally, the current lack of parking needs to be addressed with a sense of urgency. I look forward to further communication on this issue. Thanks.
John Bogack April 01, 2013 at 02:44 PM
Saturday night in the village: cool. This thread is just about over but I thought it would be fitting in light of all the concerns about negative behavior night time in the village that I post an account of where things may more currently be than when this thread began some weeks ago. I ventured into the village to take in the show at 89 North Saturday night. No car needed I walk from my home. Went by the Emporium early on and while there was some activity near by it was not as frenzied as I have seen it in the past. Very visible police presence at the door where police offiers were posted. Main street was busy and while I did see groups of people bunched up here and there on main no one was doing anything other than having a good time with their friends. 89 North was packed, reggae band and local DJ's like Omar Santiago providing positive vibrations. The whole scene reminded me of what the village has gained from this venue: class act spot that can draw the members of the Roots as guests in the audience. I left early to get a break and then came back near one in the morning. Emporium had more lines and was busier. Like all my visits before once again witness to what appeared to be a street arrest this time a car had been waived over by no less than three police cars on Railroad avenue near the Emporium so I guess issues there are still being watched. Returned to 89 North that was still rocking to good sounds. Home, no issues a wonderful night out in Patchogue Village.
Robert April 03, 2013 at 12:04 AM
John, Sounds good. I do understand that other people had issues with improper behavior, and my concern always related around the total lack of parking. As you said, Patchogue has come a long way and almost all of it positive, and now needs a little improvement. Do you know who is paying for the police force around the Emporium? And also, what was your observation as far as the parking is concerned? And you have always had a good pulse on the citizens and I have one more question. What do you think of all of the homeowners who purchased property and homes close the Village, before the opening of the Emporium? Are these homeowners frustrated with the escalation of noise, lack of parking and other issues? Just curious. As you say, it is important to understand all of the positive things that have occurred in Patchogue and I am sure it was hard for the board to anticipate all of the issues, but now they should address them.
John Bogack April 03, 2013 at 03:14 PM
Robert you are paying for the police outside the Emporuim just like I am and every other tax payer. Public safety is a police function. I have to say the police and CODE presence (forgot to mention earlier on my second trip CODE was parked right in front of the doors) was pretty tight. As for parking remember I walked to avoid everything. I did see spots near by the Emporium that were open and less of the frenzied parking and lines to get in that I have seen in the past. But cold weather and perhaps all the enforcement is having an impact. On main street there was parking not a lot but you did not need a shoe horn to get into a spot either. You ask me what do I think about the surrounding neighborhoods. I do know that Copper Beech residents have concerns about their parking being used by non residents and there is no doubt Church Street and Railroad Avenue homes are impacted with noise. Those residents do not come to any meetings of the Board of Trustees not of late anyway so honestly I can not say what they feel. They need to speak up if they have concerns. The apartment complex manager at Railroad and Church has appeared complaining of public disturbances several times. He appeared a few weeks ago complaining that drunks were throwing bottles at the building. I do not know the current state of this concern. Before then he complained of assaults, rowdiness, public urination near the rental building. These are safety concerns the Police need to stay on top of. They are.

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