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Late Night Drunks Drawing Concerns From Village Businesses

Patchogue's Main Street businesses say more must be done to tighten up security late at night.

As Kathleen Quinn's daughters were putting together a Christmas window display at Irish Crossroads late one night last week, an intoxicated man attempted to enter the locked store and police had to be called. 

The mailbox on the brick wall outside Quinn's store on Main Street has been ripped from the wall three times and it has been filled with vomit and urine.  

On Thanksgiving at 3:25 a.m., a fight broke out between a group of people near Irish Crossroads. While attempting to punch another person, the aggressor in the fight missed his intended target and punched the glass window of Sensationally Sweet, according to police.

The glass window of the vacant business at 20 E. Main Street was also shattered when a witness was pushed through it by someone involved in the fight. That witness was taken to the hospital to be treated for lacerations to his arms, police said. No arrests have been made as the investigation continues. 

While Patchogue Village continues its revitalization, business owners are sounding the alarm that something must be done to tame the late night crowd on Main Street. 

"I'm very emotional about this because I have a serious concern here," Quinn told the Patchogue Village Board of Trustees Monday night.

"I came here five years ago very impressed with the plans for the revitalization and future of Patchogue," said Quinn, whose lease is up next year. "I can't say I'm enamored with that idea anymore. Everybody was 'Oh, it's improving, it's improving, it's improving.' It's not." 

At a Village Board meeting earlier this month, Patricia Scheiner, who works at Paradise Bridals, expressed similar concerns. 

Scheiner said that she was awoken on a recent Saturday night at 4 a.m. after glass breaking sensors went off at the front and rear of the store. The glass was not broken, but when she and her husband arrived at the scene, they found an intoxicated man lying on the ground in front of the store. A young woman was also lying on the street on Railroad Avenue, Scheiner said. 

"We have walked in on Sunday mornings to our windows and doors being vomited on, the smell of urine," she said. "It's getting worse and worse." 

Paradise is around the corner from The Emporium, the late night hotspot that has drawn large crowds since it opened in September. 

Patchogue Village Mayor Paul Pontieri told Scheiner he'd be in touch with the Fifth Precinct to discuss the issue and on Monday night, the mayor said the Village would work to find a solution. 

"The thing that I can reassure you is that we will do everything in our power to straighten this out because it doesn't bode well for any of us," he told Quinn. 

Last Friday, a blue tarp covered the broken window next door to Irish Crossroads and blood remained splattered on the ground from the fight the day before. 

Quinn told curious customers that a pushing and shoving match had gotten out of hand. 

"But it's like 'Oh, really? I thought Patchogue was getting better?' Quinn said of customers' reactions. "And you're sitting there going 'It's good, it's good' and in your heart you're going like 'I'm scared out of my mind.'" 

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John Bogack December 09, 2012 at 01:51 PM
Ben, it won't be easy to "fix this thing". And it won't be quick either. But here are some ideas to start a dialogue. First I still think growth is good for the village and the the vast majority of people coming to the village including the patrons of the Emporium are the future. It's good. The bumps in the road, and bad apples are the issues to be addressed. Here are some ideas: 1. two year moratorium on all new bars and clubs, 2. change zoning code to require new businesses to show they have adequate parking for their business for any business coming to the village 3. accelerate present new parking strategies. Move along with some speed to bring in meters, raise new funds, bond for purchasing land to open hundreds of new parking spots since it is clear the village is hundreds if not a thousand spots short of its real needs. 4. Expand code enforcement, put more officers on the street at night on foot and in cars, give them resources to professionalize as needed to meet public safety demands. The streets of the village have to be safe period for businesses to stay open and you know every person coming to the village, resident or visitor should feel safe. If they do everybody wins. 5. Find new ways of including the public in creating visions of the future village. There is too much top down thinking without involving business owners and residents for whom all this revitalization was supposed to benefit in the first place. Be hopeful, resolve problems, keep moving forward.
Richard Kemp December 10, 2012 at 03:06 AM
Jo: Show up at a Village Board Meeting and speak all the truth,it makes no difference when the administration ONLY sees things the way they want to ,with no regard to numerous complaints of excess noise levels @70 decibels ,yourself,Mr.Bogack,and myself it makes no difference. Please Note Brookhaven Town Law is 55 decibels after dark........Do you believe that democracy exists in Patchogue Village???
Richard Kemp December 10, 2012 at 03:19 AM
John : Anyone can attend a trustee meeting Village Resident or not. And yes the Mayor has allowed a portion for "The Public to be Heard"The Minutes used to reflect what that speaker had to say,but not know,you have not been very successful at requesting the noise level be lowered from the present 70 decibels,and I am referring to the outdoor music permitted under special permit with a BIG Fee of $150 or thereabouts.
David Kennedy December 10, 2012 at 03:42 AM
John, your five point plan is very well balanced and an excellent starting point to address these issues....I think it should be brought to the board as an official proposal...or if any official is reading this, there is no reason not to comment on a well thought out, reasoned and respectful plan from one of our residents....let's here what you have to say about John's proposal right here, right now...
Ben Vitale December 10, 2012 at 05:09 AM
FYI Part One: This is an edit of an old post. Links have been removed to avoid inadvertent damage to our village infrastructure. This is not a new post. Every word that you publish on this forum is indexed and associated with "Patchogue." Those of you that have posted damaging content on this Forum, could inadvertently suffer financial consequences for years to come. The only way to avoid damage to your business, is to delete all of your damaging contact on this Forum. Go to Google and search the word Patchogue, plus any loaded word that has been published in this thread; this article will appear in the search results. Sinking a Ship because of a Bilge Rat problem, is not very smart.
joeriley December 10, 2012 at 08:43 PM
That's because they're not as popular! Genius..
joeriley December 10, 2012 at 08:51 PM
Jack, these people will not be happy until main street Patchogue is vacant again! Many steps have been taken to make the village a place for younger people. Artist apartments,townhouses and affordable apartments etc. It's called progress people get use to it!
joeriley December 10, 2012 at 09:07 PM
Remember when we knocked down a perfectly good parking garage?
David Kennedy December 11, 2012 at 12:52 AM
If you are referring to the tiered parking that was forced to be knocked down because it was unsafe and on the verge of collapse...then yes, it was knocked down... though we differ on the definition of "perfectly good"
Richard Kemp December 11, 2012 at 01:24 AM
Ed : I think right now there is an existing drunk tank on Waverly Ave.,Called the 5th Precinct. Maybe with enough persistence and documented factual evidence they will get involved and do their job.
Richard Kemp December 11, 2012 at 09:06 PM
Jack: I guess that you will never acknowledge the fact that today we are living in a modern society where secret meetings are discouraged by law. The policy of Patchogue Village has to change to accomodate OPEN MEETINGS where ever possible and nothing should be conducted behind closed doors.
Lee December 12, 2012 at 01:50 AM
How many years ago was it, that the parking meters were removed from Main Street?
Michael A Evans LMT December 12, 2012 at 02:37 PM
Emporium does use Briarcliff's lot for its staff members to park. They have the bouncers escort the staff to their cars at the end of the night. Not sure what arrangement was made with the college for use of the lot by patrons, though.
Larry Tornetta December 12, 2012 at 08:40 PM
Patch posted a new article stating the police are going to be out in force after 11PM in town so watch out. Now everyone contend with an increased police presence yee haaa!!!!"
joeriley December 15, 2012 at 07:42 PM
It's actual state of disrepair before being knocked down is up for debate my friend
joeriley December 15, 2012 at 08:04 PM
The police are out in force every night! Patchogue village is saturated with police officers!
David Kennedy December 16, 2012 at 05:57 PM
Oh, so the report by licensed engineers that told the Village they had to take down was some conspiracy I guess?...please tell me what was debatable?
Ben Vitale December 21, 2012 at 06:44 PM
In the 60s Patchogue Village had a police officer, permanently assigned to, Four Corners. I felt good about this! My wife felt good about this! My mother felt safe coming to Patchogue. Saturated with Police officers! That's great if your not doing anything illegal!
THE SOCIAL WORKER January 11, 2013 at 06:52 PM
Jo I hope you are enjoying retirement ! we miss you at SB
THE SOCIAL WORKER January 11, 2013 at 09:38 PM
the Knights of Columbus could have done what the emporium did but we choose not to and sold it to them
Richard Kemp January 12, 2013 at 02:15 AM
David : I never did get your response to my suggestion that the Village should consider a moritorium (sp) on any new watering holes ,what ever they go under,restaurant,night club,saloon,bar,sports bar,club,etc.I also stated that your plan of a Master Plan is at least a decade late now that all of this has been permitted. I seriously wonder where was the State Liquor Licensing Authority when they were receiving application after application all within a close proximity to churches and other drinking establishments. Now Patchogue has turned into a night mare.Things are absolutely disgusting right now,never in my life time can I ever remember things going on like now.
Richard Kemp January 12, 2013 at 02:17 AM
THANKS
Richard Kemp January 12, 2013 at 02:31 AM
Ben :Yes this is very true but the Officer was from the Suffolk County Police Dept.on the four corners,usually he stayed on the North West Corner ,Patchogue Village at the same time had a man driving around in a 3 wheeled motor cycle,his name was Art Rooney and he was uniformed and may have carried a weapon in a holster.
Richard Kemp January 12, 2013 at 02:52 AM
Ben : The answer lies in good planning for new ventures that want to come here.Too much of one type of Buisness is going to create friction and makes for more problems. You need more of a balanced mixture I also wonder where was the State Liquor Authority when all of these places were making applications for licenses. Let's face it if these problem watering holes loose their license they can put the key in the door and close up,maybe patchogue is at that point now,and maybe it might be the best thing to happen,one death behind the wheel is for eternity.
Zofia Malisiewicz January 13, 2013 at 01:31 AM
Elections have consequences.
Rynn January 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM
Patchogue Resident: We used to like going to Alive After Five but the last time we decided to go, it just had a different vibe. Perhaps it was because we got there at 7pm instead of 5:30pm like we used to, but on this particular day it didn't have the family oriented street fair vibe. It felt more like a bar scene with huge crowds that were getting louder and louder. We left after about 10 minutes.
Patchogue Snoop February 10, 2013 at 03:06 PM
Rich, never happen...too many promises have already been made.
Robert March 09, 2013 at 04:53 PM
With the recent board, Patchogue has undergone great changes. However; the main topic of this discussion is the lack of parking, as a result of the Emporium. Business owners are suffering because their customers can't access parking to get to their stores. I live close by and many times are unable to find parking and then we just leave the town and go somewhere else. I still don't understand how the Emporium was allowed in that location, when it appears to be obvious that their customers are overflowing to all available parking spaces.
Lauren Cox March 10, 2013 at 01:50 AM
It's my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) that long before the condo plan went into effect, business owners had the option to purchase land behind & next to BHB, why didn't they? I completely agree that Emporium has become a major problem but there were plenty of other solutions.
Richard Kemp March 10, 2013 at 10:49 PM
I guess you and many others do not know that Tom Keegan Esq. had two Public Hearings before the Patchogue Village Planning Board. The first was a plan for him to develope property behind his building into Apts,complete with an elevator,and the second plan was for him to expand the existing B.H.B. structure into a catering hall the size was enormous ,complete with a full basement Kitchen w/a 2'drop in the floor levels from the existing to the proposed basement floors. All proposals did not include any E/I/S and were never followed up on to the best of my knowledge w/P.V.Planning Board

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