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Proposed Plan for Four Corners Shown at Community Meeting

Economy issues nixed hotel from plans.

With original plans for a hotel in downtown Patchogue now scrapped, the reworked proposal for the area known as the Four Corners of Patchogue now focuses solely on residential housing.

During Wednesday night’s Patchogue FIRST community meeting held at the Elks Club, a standing room only crowd was given a look at plans by TRITEC Real Estate Company to construct a housing development with 291 apartments. The plan also includes retail space, an underground parking complex of 509 spaces and community parking spaces as well.

Previously, TRITEC has planned to build a 111-room hotel along with 240 apartments. However, the sluggish national economy has dramatically slowed new hotel development across the country, and the lack of funding for new hotel construction projects was cited as the main factor in at least delaying the Patchogue project.

“We have no financing in hospitality right now,” said Rob Loscalzo, chief operating officer with TRITEC.

The new plan he outlined at the meeting is scheduled for a vote by the village board of trustees on January 24.

Loscalzo explained that with a project of this size, lenders are required to finance the buildings. He said hotel investors currently are able to invest in ground-up contracts with all of the risks associated with constructing a building, or they can invest in projects that are already partially complete. Loscalzo also noted that the original lender ran into financing issues and that there was no available debt to put on the project.

In an effort to bring a major hotel brand to Patchogue, Loscalzo said TRITEC met with 25 hotel groups including Hilton, Marriott and Wyndham to make a deal, but none was able to move forward with the project.

“It wasn’t for lack of trying, and doesn’t mean it can’t happen in the future,” Loscalzo said. In 2007, the Main Street area was rezoned as the Downtown Redevelopment District (DRD), which allows for 10-story mixed-use development.

Among the 291 apartment units now included in the revamped project, 48 units would be designated for residents making at or below 80 percent of the area’s median income and 19 units for those residents making 85 percent of the area’s median income, said Loscalzo.

The village will be accepting written comments from the community for input on the property until Jan. 14 at 4 p.m. Residents can write: Inc. Village of Patchogue, 14 Baker Street, P.O. Box 719, Patchogue, NY 11772.

On Friday, Patchogue Patch will feature responses from the community during the meeting’s Q&A section with Mayor Paul Pontieri, the village trustees and Rob Loscalzo.

Small Business March 10, 2011 at 01:09 AM
Hello all. I am young businessman looking to expand my practice into the village of Patchogue. I came across this site recently and have commented on a few issues I have run into since deciding upon Patchogue as a potential location for my growing business. First, let me say how charming I've found your village to be. Since beginning my search in Patchogue I've met with many local business people, attended some town meetings and also spoken with a few local officials. I was over-whelmed by the support and encouragement of everyone. Seems people who live and work in this area truly enjoy this village. I unfortunately have had an extremely difficult time working with the developer who is proposing to re-juvenate your downtown village. Tritec, who currently owns the 31 west building is asking outrageous rents and unreasonable terms for their space,and I fear that if given the ok tomorrow night, will do the same with these new retail, apartments and additional offices spaces they are prposing. Everyone I met with during my search for space in the village spoke about how important new businesses are to this village. How Patchogue needs more young people to live, work, build their businesses, and support their community. How vital this will be to the future of this town. In my opinion ,Tritec is not the Developer that will help Patchogue do this. I cannot afford to bring my business to this town under their current rent structures.
Small Business March 10, 2011 at 01:15 AM
If approved, Tritec will create some beautiful buildings, but at what cost? If we cannot afford the prices they are requiring, we will not come. We can't afford to come. Please vote responsibly tomorrow night. Don't rush to a decision that will affect the village for a long time to come. There are other Developers out there that WILL put Patchogue first! Don't let Tritec keep us out of your town!
Dennis Barone March 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM
if this plan is approved... Patchogue is doomed and this administration will have pulled the switch.
John Bogack March 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM
I once again urge approval of the Tritec proposal. It's not perfect but it's real. There is no Macy's looking to relocate to the Village, no hotel chain, no indoor market all knocking at the village door trying to shove Tritec out of the way. It's fine to say that some where "out there" that there are such businesses waiting to invest in the village. If so where have they been? How much longer do we have to wait for them to appear: a year, a decade? The plan is not perfect but it represents real dollars and real intentions from a business that has chosen to do business in the village and wants to move foward. Time's up for illusions of better. It's time to accept what is really possible and let's keep the revitalization of our village moving along. The Village Board should vote yes on this proposal.
JOSEPH ARABIA March 10, 2011 at 01:30 PM
MR.Bojack, I dont think I have ever met you, but i do think your facts are alittle misleading. I personally spoke to Macys who agreed to come check out this project as they were building many new stores in 2010, all they wanted was an official phone call to set the motion. no one ever called because of reasoning such as yours. Second Tri-tecs $ 100 million will not benefit me as a taxpayer nor you. Third , when i go out @ night all I hear is how great our town is doing right now, without this project, dont get me wrong I am not against development, only all rentals. Mix it up alittle, so that when this project sells owners will live among renters. Parking will be a major issue, as a fire chief I can tell you if parking is not added our members will be negatively affected, & we are being pushed into a corner. Not to mention resteraunts like the brickhouse who stand to lose alot of parking also. I can go on, to sum it up there is no rush as our downtown is doing great, & not by my say so, just look around @ night. Fix some issues first, before they become problems that will lead to an eyesore later. I have invested my lifesavings here with my family & home, so yes us taxpayers should have a say. So we should look down the road and base our decisions now on preventing what could be the end of our thriving downtown now. We all have a stake here now just developers. So please think before you write, we're all in this together & lets keep Patchogue the best kept secret around.
John Bogack March 10, 2011 at 01:42 PM
Mr. Arabia I don't think my facts are wrong at all and I certainly do think before I write anything. Just looking at what you have written is proof enough: there is no offer on the table from Macy's. We could be waiting a long time before there is. The Village has a real proposal before it not a wish. I stand by what I have said before. I wanted a hotel. I would like to see a magnet store. I like many of the other proposals that have been offered here by yourself and others too but decisions have to be made based on facts not fantasies. The Tritec proposal is here, the others are not. There will be issues if it's passed but there will be a lot of voices, yours and mine both, to keep watch to make sure that promises are kept and that real progress results . I love the Village as much as you do. I am a home owner. I want to see my home's value increase too. Let's agree to disagree and in the future, however this vote turns out lets all keep working to make our village a great place to live.
JOSEPH ARABIA March 10, 2011 at 02:25 PM
Thats what makes america great, we can debate. I prey your right. I think they should have a pre- construction list so we can see how many people are interested & maybe that will put many at ease. HAVE A GREAT DAY.
Scott March 10, 2011 at 06:24 PM
With today's shopping climate, most people choosing malls and internet, something like Macy's likely won't work. Just because someone there was willing to entertain the idea doesn't mean they were serious. There are multiple reasons why Swezey's couldn't stay in business and 1 of those are the before mentioned malls/internet taking so much business. Just because it's convenient for someone who lives in the village to walk a few blocks for a pair of jeans doesn't mean enough people from outside the village will choose to shop there. And even if a Macy's or something similar did come to Patchogue, we are only talking about the bottom 2 floors, not the top 2 where the debated added housing will sit. The question is what will replace the hotel, not what will go into the ground and 2nd floor retail/office space. I think people are factoring too much of their own convenience, and to a degree a yearning for the past, with what is really needed, a destination. Something that will bring people to the village while also benefiting the locals.
Scott March 10, 2011 at 06:24 PM
Besides the hotel and now more apartments, what other suggestions have been on the table? Has a top floor restaurant/catering hall been suggested? Maybe with roof top seating. How about simply deleting 1 or 2 floors? Make it 4 stories with a small tower to accent the corner instead of 6 or so. The ground floor corner space is very important. As it is, the heart of the village, the 4 Corners, houses 2 pawn shops and a real estate office. Does that properly represent the direction and intended culture of the Village? This project as a whole is possibly the turning point of all the hard work, and good work may I add, the current administration has done. A wrong turn here can stall the progress or even derail it.
cynthia ramirez August 04, 2011 at 01:49 PM
Macy's is a wonderful idea. Isn't that why most people went to the Smithhaven Mall back in the 70's and 80's to shop in Macy's and have a variety of store under one roof. Variety is what people want. Isn't that why they put a roof over Roosevelt Field, it use to be outside. How about Macy's and Red Lobster? There are only two Red Lobster's near Patchogue. As mentioned before another "apartment/condo building" really? Where do you expect all these people to come from? Five years ago I was saying how Patchogue is starting to look like Queens in the 50's and 60's. Does anyone know what parts of Queens looks like, not pretty? Is this really what we want Patchogue to look like in 20, 30 years? The schools; children are our future and we are hoping that we can educate them so they can run the world, to take care of our generation and make decisions for us in our elder years. With 40 children in a class room how do you think they will learn. Robots in the class room? Great more jobs lost. Thank you for the opportunity to state my opinion.
cynthia ramirez August 04, 2011 at 02:13 PM
This blog sounds like we are settling. "Since this is the only offer let's take it." Why should we? Shouldn't we sned people out to look into other things. Call Macy's if they are waiting for a call. Call restuarants like Red Lobster see if they would consider coming to Patchogue. Yes we can wait and should. Don't we want what is best for our community. What is wrong with wanting convience for shopping? Sounds like you have a personal, maybe financial stake here. I'm sorry i don't know you so please don't be offended. Another condo/ apartment is a poor choice for Patchogue Village and its community. Has anyone considered something for our youth to keep them off the streets, out of gangs and drug free? We want Patchogue Village to have a good name. Not the place where people get killed. We have the theatre and good restaurants. One of the finest libraries in Suffolk County, beach fronts and two ferry lines. Not another housing project. In the past five years there has been the townhouses near the bay on S ocean ave, there has been the three story townhouses on S Ocean ave and across the street the rental apartments. Then behind them the Artpace on Terry Street. On Waverly Ave we have the apartments and now there is a project underway for more aprtments on West Ave. This is on top of the fact that we have old fashion apartments, Two on River, one on Maple Ave one on main St, one on Rider Ave and the co-ops on Waverly Ave just to name a few. Please no more.
JOSEPH ARABIA August 05, 2011 at 11:38 AM
CINDY, DONT WASTE YOUR BREATH, BUILDING PERMITTS ARE BEING ISSUED AS WE SPEAK, I HAD MACYS READY TO LOOK, BUT EVERYONES FINGERS WERE BROKE TO DIAL THE PHONE. ALSO TO MANY NAY SAYERS. HOPE ALL IS WELL, SEE YA IN QUEENS , TAKE CARE
Christie August 05, 2011 at 01:58 PM
I will never understand the thought on two diamond properties in the village and putting a housing project on one(4 corners) and a cheap carnival on the other (Shorefront Park).
Judy Pepenella August 06, 2011 at 04:13 AM
The sad part of this vote is that the final vote was a split decision and the Mayor cast the vote in favor of this new endeavor. Yes, we need jobs and new business in Patchogue, but more apartments? I still say we have enough and I do not want to see this complex to become another section 8 set of units on Main Street.
Judy Pepenella September 21, 2011 at 07:02 PM
Joe, I have no problem disagreeing with anyone, but please your language is out of control.
Michael Sorrentino (Editor) September 21, 2011 at 08:21 PM
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Elizabeth K September 24, 2011 at 12:08 PM
AS a resident I think I need to attend more meetings. I fear more rental Units. There are already PLENTY. I think People are becoming more aware of what they are eating and would travel into a town that has an organic market They have one in both Sayville and Bay Shore and they do well. There should be a gift store. Just because a store has gone under in the past does not mean that a store can't thrive in the future. This should be a retail area, Get creative and think outsidfe the box. It could cater to residents as well as out of towners visiting the ferries need to pick up items. Again, I should get more involved, NO MORE RENTALS YIKES!
Dominick Thorne March 12, 2012 at 09:10 PM
I did not read all of the replys to this story however , I did hear that a reply to a concerned resdient of this village was they should move out if they did not like the plans , This comment was reportly sent by a tritec employee. I could careless what side of this election anyone stands on , No outside or resident or political group should ever tell one of the great residents of this village to move .
betsy smith March 12, 2012 at 09:45 PM
Interesting that 76 of these 77 comments are from 2011 and some are over 14 months old. Have people given up the protest? And, from the original article, 10 STORY Zoning???
Judy Pepenella March 12, 2012 at 09:58 PM
@Betsy - Many of the residents, including myself, have not forgotten or given up on this issue. From what I have heard in the community many residents are upset at the amount of apartments being constructed, the businesses being planned and the small amount of parking that will be created. There will be an underground parking lot for the residents and each unit will have 1.4 parking slips allotted to them. I just don't want to see the .4 car! There are only 19 new spaces being constructed and they are being sized differently than the parking sips in the rest of the town. That bothers me a lot. Tritec held a meet and greet in town @ Roast 2 weeks back. Its funny as there was not enough parking for the event at Roast...the parking lot was sectioned off for the Dance event at the Theatre. Myself and many others came to the meeting and asked a lot of questions. What concerns me is there was a split decision on this construction job moving forward and the Mayor was the deciding vote to move forward. Not happy with that vote at all.
John Bogack March 12, 2012 at 10:13 PM
Yes Judy there was a split decision but the majority was for moving the Tritec project along. That is democracy plain and simple. The Mayor is part of the Board of Trustees. He gets to vote and in fact it is his duty to break a tie and make a decision. Majority rules also a fundamental belief of any democracy that exists in this country. Yes there may be issues with the Tritec plan but there will be issues if the plan is rescinded too. In fact there could be blight in the center of the village for another ten years if the Village reneges on the promise it made to Tritec. Parking is going to be an issue but the BID report lays out all sorts of solutions that can be implemented once that project get going. And it is not going to be built over night. I think it is going to take about 18 months till opening so there will be plenty of time to mitigate any issues that arise. In the meantime people will be working, hundreds of jobs, 80 million dollars will be invested in the village. People will be living in the heart of the business district spending their money in that business district. There will be a whole new energy that is going to keep powering the village revitalization along. In a few days, thankfully only a few days, the people will speak and then we will see where the people stand. That's democracy too.
Dennis Barone March 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM
If there areno apartments....there is no sect. 8.... it's easy
betsy smith March 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM
Hi John Bogack, Where is the $80,000,000 coming from? Where are the stores that all those people will be spending their money in? What you need is a great big parking lot and some stores on the street front--apartments on the second floors (no shame in that) and maybe a third floor on the NW corner to recapture the original Four Corners.
Dennis Barone March 12, 2012 at 11:37 PM
As the former sect 8 housing inspector for the TOB you cannot refuse to rent to anyone if they qualify. The HUD investigators will fine anyone who refuses to rent to anyone on the basis of holding a housing voucher. Dont be foolish. No apartments are a good thing
John Bogack March 13, 2012 at 11:38 AM
Betsy, I am no expert on this. Most of the 80 million will be raised by Tritec who will borrow the money from private sources. At this point, again not an expert, there is a plan for 9 additional new businesses that will also occupy the space that will also house the apartments. The great big parking lot you imagining most likely will be added by the purchase of properties on Church street. The BID report identified I think at least three properties currently boarding houses that could be purchased, razed and then converted into something like 185 parking spaces. Those spaces would be very close to main street. The BID report along with the recommenations are all on line for anyone to see Dennis Smith, Director of the BID, reported last night at the Village Board meeting.
betsy smith March 13, 2012 at 04:07 PM
John, Thanks for answering. I am in sort of a poor position to do more than heckle this project as I live 11" from Patchogue, on the 'wrong' side of Bay Avenue, and thus have no vote in Patchogue, although of course I use all its services and shop where there is something to shop for. I depore the lack of a Conservation Commission or Architectural Review Board or even a Master Plan for the Patchogue community, and feel that we will soon be inundated in Post Modern Ticky Tack "Town Home" residences designed after some generic "American" Colonial hodgepodge (and made in vinyl siding), without any reference to the original, or at least, prevailing (and treasured on the photographs so often posted on Facebook) early nineteenth century look of the vernacular Patchogue, even though we are furnished with the street lights of that era.
good taste March 13, 2012 at 08:36 PM
BRAVA! BRAVA! BRAVA! Betsey Smith! I couldn't have said it better myself!! Love you!!!!!!!!
madeline gallo June 06, 2012 at 11:26 PM
is anyone aware they want to build a multi family unit. on the corner of west ave and mulford. enough is enough.
CCOP June 07, 2012 at 12:28 AM
MadelineI, I was not aware of a multi family structure on West Ave and Mulford. It won't be long until we are Like Queens.
betsy smith June 07, 2012 at 02:02 AM
Queens is nice, but Patchogue still has an atmosphere of space and access to the river and the Great South Bay, with exquisitely beautiful light and unobstructed sunsets. It is such a shame that whereas Tritec could incorporate the Brickhouse and the Bank in its layout, it couldn't do the same for the library. Very shortly, Patchogue will lose all its vernacular charm and become a hodgepodge of lousy faux-town house architecture, preposterous overabundance of Victorian street lighting (the North Ocean accident), uncounted dollar stores, and not enough parking for any of its present or future residents. Mulford and West used to have two nice stone boat houses (one is gone), both single story--what is the proposal? Yet another five storied apartment house?

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