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Blog: Thoughts on The Four Corners

A personal encounter with Tritec and a subjective observation about the New Village Four Corners 291 Apartments project.

OK, we really needed a dedicated Blog for this, and I say none too soon!

I am usually a quiet fellow, and like most of us here in the Village, go about my business without to much kerfuffle. Now I realize, after a very long time of not being involved politically in our beloved village, we are paying the price. I thought I'd best get involved before it is too late.

I saw the issue the Residents First people brought up about the New Village project, how they didn't want a five story apartment building in the heart of town. I thought 'Gee, I thought that was going to be a hotel.' Well it isn't. I don't care how it got to what it is, it isn't what it was sold as.

I am most motivated by this because of the way I was spoken to by the Tritec fellow, a well dressed young man, at the meet and greet (by the way, Tritec, thank you for the free donut and coffee).

I had some concerns about the effects of the project on our local environment. Mind you I am not one of those wacky Eco-Warrior types. I just thought, well, 300 apartments, some offices, some retail shops, where is the waste going to go?

We have a small water ecosystem; two or three small lakes, three or four small rivers, which all go to the bay, and then to the great South Bay. We now have a nice sewage treatment center, which I was led to believe is already at capacity because of the new condos, apartments, and some large clients like Lombardi's. Now we will add 300 apartments, some offices, and some more retail shops. Lots more waste. Where will this squeaky clean sewage (after processing, right?) go? Into our little bay. So goodbye wildlife. Oh it may take some time, but it will happen. You can't  do that without adversly affecting the ecosystem.

I also had another concern, parking. Where will all these new residents and customers park? 300 new parking spaces. Is that enough? I think that is maybe half enough. So where will the others park? On our streets and our public lots. So you can forget about going to town for any reason if you are not one of these folks, it seems.

So back to the Roast roast.

So I asked Mr. Tritec what about the ecosystem and voiced my concern. He said that studies were done and he would be happy to send me a copy, and I gave him my email. 10 days ago. Maybe he lost it in all the excitement. Then he, I, and some other residents started talking about the size of the place, the amount of people, and I said that I and the other residents would never see Main Street again as we would have no place to park. He told me 'if I don't like it I should move'. Hand to God. Verbatim. So I decided to go outside for a smoke (yes I know, but this is not the time for a lecture on smoking), and came across someone I know who was talking to some tall fellow wearing a jacking with a plumber's union logo on it. He seemed very adamant about the project being a good thing. I told him about my concerns for the ecosystem, and he said 'Oh, I can't talk to you!' and turn his back to me. I tapped him on the shoulder and I said 'Excuse me, but do you live here?' He said no and showed me the logo on the back of his jacket again. Ok, so I go outside and there a few people chatting. One short stocky fellow, who said he was in real estate, was espousing the virtues of the project. Again, not from the Village.  I said I didn't like the way the Mayor handled it, and someone else started in with the alleged illegal/semi-illegal activities of the Mayor, and the real estate fellow said 'So what?' and shrugged it off. He told me before the Mayor Patchogue was a 'sh..thole' and now it's fabulous. 'Look at all the stores', he said. I said those stores are there because hard working people like me either put ourselves in debt or invested their life saving in those businesses and work 12 hours a day to try to suceed. He didn't want to talk to me anymore either, so I went back inside and chatted with a handful of people I knew.

Ok, so the Roast roast, it seems to me, everyone I spoke to who was in favor was either closely aligned with the mayor, or didn't live in Patchogue. This is not a biased or political statement, it was just my experience.

Well, at least it will bring lots of new tax revenue to the Village, right? Apparently not. Our Esteemed Mayor has given the project 15 years of abatement. Nice. My taxes keep going up. Some zillion dollar company from out of town pays nothing.

So now it is time to talk about the facts, and what the Village residents really want and how to get it. I'm tired of special favors to outside investors and just the oppisite for us! No more parking on the dock anymore, that's for Lombardi's! No sewer hook up fees for Lombardi's, but for us it's $20,000! The Mayor's office will tell you it is for improvement of the village.

At the debate Lori Devlin told us how successful the growth in town was. We now have a Frozen Yogurt shop, a coffee shop, a wine store. Fantastic. She forgot to mention two pawn shops, some laundermats, a few dollar stores and several bodegas. Now that's progress.

So here's the deal as I have been able to sort it out. Mayor Pontieri brokered a deal between the Sweezy heirs and Tritec for the entire two blocks that will be new village. The Mayor and the board (three are on his side, three against) decided to forgo the usual planning board trivia (yes that was sarcasm), skip a few laws and rules, and get the project going. No impact studies of any sort. No concern for the residents. Just favors for the developer. Business as usual, I guess.

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Tom Ferb March 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM
Mr. Rothaus That you did not receive copies of the state approved SEQRA findings or the DEIS or the parking study does not mean they were not done. They were. And if you look at the board minutes, you'll see that all the trustees were on board initially. Somehow 51 apartments instead of the 100 room hotel became an issue. Tax abatements are routine everywhere for developments that remove blight and give back to the community and are awarded by the IDA not the Village. Tritec's inclusion of the Village Green is part of their give back. They have also agreed to deal with parking issues if and when there is a problem as a result of the development.
Tom Ferb March 19, 2012 at 11:26 AM
You are woefully understating the number of new businesses that have come into the village in the last few years. In addition to the three businesses you mention, Roast, Yochi, and Quench, they include LI Pulse Magazine, St Joseph's College administration, PlazaMAC Cinema, Patchogue Arts Council Gallery, Irish Crossroads, 40SO gallery, Bella Vino Wine Bar, Queen City Cupcakes, Natural Body Juice Bar, Hoshi Hibachi, Baldessano Architects, Economic Opportunity Council, Gather Studio, My Sketchbook Studio, Arthur Murray Dance Studio, Tina's Italian Ices, The Burger Shack, Public House 49, The Village Idiot Pub, The Tap Room, Checkers, Bridgehampton National Bank, Bethpage Federal Credit Union, the new shoemaker, Cow Palace, Companion Star, The Chicken Place, Platinum Day Spa, Meyer, Hagan & Ross Law Firm, and an accounting firm. The last two renovated old homes into offices on Main Street that had been standing vacant and moldering for years. The laundromat, at least one of the dollar stores, the pawn shops, and the bodegas have been around for many years.
Rich Stevens March 19, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Mr. Ferb, during your opening statement at the debate you stated that overcrowding was a problem in the village. Can you fjurther explain it.
Chris Barcelo March 19, 2012 at 01:34 PM
Sorry I couldn't help notice and ask this, Did we need New Village to get those business'? It just seems that whenever Patchogue 2012 discusses the 291 apartments they say that they are imperative for our success, it's even been alluded to that Roast would go out of business. By your own account we're capable of drawing business without it, and quite a bit. Just pointing out how odd of a foundation that is for an argument when you make a list like that.
Gerald Rothaus March 19, 2012 at 02:21 PM
Bravo, Chris! Mr. Ferb seems to be towing the party line. And I think these businesses would have come regardless of who the mayor was, they should stop trying to distract us by taking credit for the labor of hard working people and address our concerns.
Gerald Rothaus March 19, 2012 at 02:25 PM
Also, giving tax abatement to large corporations while raising taxes on the residents really brings Mr. Ferb's value system into question, doesn't it?
Laureen Prendergast March 19, 2012 at 03:41 PM
For starters, removal of blight comes with bulldozers, backhoes and dump trucks, in the case of this particular building. Can someone clarify a rumor for me? It is my understanding that the prior owner of the Swezey's building was regularly visited by the Fire Marshall, with numerous violations issued. If this building is in such a state of disrepair and a danger to the village, why are we threatened that Tritec may have to just lease the building in the condition it is (Center page of the Advance a few weeks back). I would also like to know has the Fire Marshall been back there since the change of title took place?
Lee March 19, 2012 at 05:39 PM
Love you Mr. Rothaus, Mr Ferb presents quite an impressive list of new businesses that came to Patchogue WITHOUT those nasty looking apartments. Those drawings for the Ocean Ave. side of the Tritec plan, with all of the different vinyl siding, is so hideous... but I digress...and that horrible plastic clock tower...but I digress further!! THANK YOU for writing this blog!! Hopefully the majority of the village agrees with us and votes for Residents First. We know that they will fight to change the Tritec plan for the Four Corners.
Tom Ferb March 19, 2012 at 07:34 PM
Mr Stevens Sorry for the confusion. My reference to overcrowding was referring to occupancy not density. I am an advocate for Smart Growth. See - http://patchogue.patch.com/blog_posts/why-im-running-for-trustee-of-the-village-of-patchogue
Gerald Rothaus March 19, 2012 at 07:55 PM
Double talk.
Lee March 19, 2012 at 09:36 PM
The people who have decided to vote for Patchogue 2012 accuse Residents First of lying. I don't get it...the Mayor didn't deny the behaviors described by Residents First. People who want to vote for P2012 don't want to believe that the Mayor's behavior was illegal, that's yet to be determined,...they like the Mayor...ok....but quit calling Residents First liars.
Zofia Malisiewicz March 19, 2012 at 11:32 PM
Hello Mr. Ferb, do you know how Tritec is going to deal with parking issue ,if there is a problem with parking as a result of the development? Do they have the plan , or they will just "take care of it" ?
cresten March 20, 2012 at 01:03 AM
It's not too late! Vote for Residents First!
Fugu Maki March 20, 2012 at 02:08 PM
Perhaps Mr. Ferb would also like his party to take credit for all the businesses that have closed in the last 8 years, as well. Jays, Adriana, Pura Vida, Stanleys second store moved out of the village, Mickey's Steakhouse, Aid Auto, NAPA, etc.
Gerald Rothaus March 20, 2012 at 03:14 PM
Oddly enough, I miss napa. Those guys knew their cars. Thanks a lot, Mr. Ferb!
Gerald Rothaus March 20, 2012 at 03:37 PM
Mr. Ferb, the FACT that I was never sent these documents means either they were negative, don't exist, or tritec doesn't care what Village residents think. Just because you respond on this issue with snappy legal jargon does not excuse any of those probabilities.
Fred Stewart March 20, 2012 at 06:41 PM
why would you be sent them? did you request them?
Fred Stewart March 20, 2012 at 06:45 PM
I don't know about that... when i moved to the area 8 years ago, it was pretty shabby and run down... i like what the village has become under the mayor's leadership....
Gerald Rothaus March 20, 2012 at 08:16 PM
Yes. And the tritec guy made a big thing of saying he would send it... took my email. I also appreciate some of the things that were done, but mostly not. The village is more than just main st.
Gerald Rothaus March 20, 2012 at 08:20 PM
One thing that really bugs me is the sewer thing. 20k for a resident to hook up, free (apparently ) for out of town developers, 1.8 million in on hand funds the mayor wants to spend on other stuff. What is wrong with that picture?
Baby Boomer March 21, 2012 at 03:46 AM
Apparently Mrs McGuire, Mr McGiff, Ms Ihne or Mr Powers did not, after all, have a clue as to what the residents of this fine village really want, despite their claims otherwise. Once again, Mayor Pontieri has demonstrated that he does indeed have a 'pulse' on the residents' needs.
The Original Village Idiot March 21, 2012 at 02:10 PM
Baby Boomer it's you that does not have a clue what the village really wants! only 20% (approx) voted (by the way that is huge in a village election) and 60% said four corners was the top issue. I hope you will enjoy having 291 apartments right smack in the middle of town. That's not my idea for the village. If Paul P. really has a pulse on village residence he would reconsider what he makes as a salary, He's over the limit with his retirement from the State employees system. He voted himself a raise (with the help of his board they got some too) knowing he would be over the limit along with that town job as well so if he got it approved by the state still doesn't make it right. Double dipper! It's time to take some fat off the budget. Lets start with village official's salaries. Budget times a coming. lets see what happens now. Just one more note mayor salary has gone from 12K to 32K within 7 seven years. That's over 150% increase. In these times that sounds wrong don't ya think?

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