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DEC: Application Submitted For De-Watering of New Village Site

Description states that water will be emptied into the Patchogue Lake at approximately two million gallons per day.

An application for shallow groundwater dewatering associated with the construction of Tritec Real Estate Company's $100 million New Village plan was submitted recently to the Suffolk County Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC).

The New Village plan is set to bring 291 apartments, 46,000 square feet of retail space and 18,000 square feet of office space at the Four Corners intersection in Patchogue Village, at which the former Swezey's Department store was recently demolished.

According to the application, which was filed by One West Main Street Apartments Investors LLC, the groundwater will be discharged from the 10 and 23 Havens Avenue site into an existing storm drain that will empty out into Patchogue Lake.

The proposed dewatering will at times involve the discharging in excess of two million gallons of water per day, according to the description.

The application also states that it is open to public comment until Sept. 28, and that comments must be submitted in writing to a contact person listed on the application description on the DEC's website.

Patch has reached out to Tritec, DEC and Patchogue Village officials for comment on the application, and will update with more information when and if we hear back.

Chris Brewster September 27, 2012 at 06:16 PM
Thanks for the information John. Once again, Residents First shooting first and asking questions later; manufacture a crisis, scream about on Facebook and Patch, and then stand corrected. So transparent. Thankfully, there are people in this village who choose to dialogue with those in charge instead of throwing a cyber-fit in public before knowing the fully story.
Joseph Adriano September 27, 2012 at 06:37 PM
Glad you people are so trusting...who did the so called "testing" anyway?....One of the Mayor's cronies? Sorry I'm not buying it....
Dirt Doctor September 27, 2012 at 06:41 PM
Joe.....why do you draw the conclusion that this wasn't planned earlier? I am a site engineer and the entire process with the DEC takes 90 days from compilation of the documents required for submission, then filing of the application to public notification to approval. The DEC has guidelines for testing and monitoring that are state and federally mandated and although I'm not an attorney, your insinuation that Tritec would use monetary influence could be considered slander. I do see this project is a sore subject for you and that is unfortunate as it is sometime hard for people to accept that maybe change is for the better. I have not been fortunate to do any work for Tritec but they have a reputation in the industry an honest men and I hope I get the opportunity to show what my firm can do for them. You may consider spending the spare time you appear to have to educate yourself a bit more before tossing opinion and maybe focus more on fact.
Joseph Adriano September 27, 2012 at 06:44 PM
If you start seeing 2 headed ducks swimming around in the lake you'll know whether the water is contaminated or not...heh heh....
Joseph Adriano September 27, 2012 at 06:51 PM
Hey Dr. Dirt...what is the name of your company?
Joseph Adriano September 27, 2012 at 07:06 PM
Hey Dr. Dirt....on a serious note do you really think the Village cares about following state and federally mandated laws? Just look at the recent Audit results....the Mayor told Newsday he doesn't even know what laws he is supposed to follow.
John Bogack September 27, 2012 at 07:07 PM
Joe the DEC did their own testing. Chris I think Residents First performed a service by bringing this issue up in the first place. As recent as today's issue of the LI Advance I see that the editor, present at the Monday meeting, failed to report a single word of the exchange between myself and the Mayor on this issue nor offered any comment at all about this issue in her report of the meeting. Thankfully Residents First was not so asleep at the wheel. The DEC sent me an attachment which was their negative declaration which means they found no issues. I am sending that to Mike Sorentino Patch editor to upload so that others can see the information obtained there because unfortunately I can not hypertext it myself into this comment. I hope Mike can find a way of providing access to all. The information should help everyone get a better sense of what is happening. What I think everyone is searching for is simply the facts and taken by suprise it should come as no surprise that there is some confusion about the Tritec plan. But I think slowly we are getting to those facts.
Joseph Adriano September 27, 2012 at 07:30 PM
We all know by now the Mayor likes to keep things "hush hush." Any time someone brings an issue to the public online they are doing a service....but boy does it get his cronies angry. They like the Advance because nothing negative or controversial about the Mayor ever gets reported. Did you see their coverage on the Audit results? Laughable. Does he tell them what to print?
Dirt Doctor September 27, 2012 at 07:33 PM
I like to focus on the good in people and don't believe in all conspiracy theories (maybe JFK) but Joe, it's possible you just aren't aware of the process. If the contractor just started pumping water into the storm system which flows into the lake, your point would be valid. Taking any other Village related issue out of the equation, since the DEC has an application, the developer and contractor proceeded in accordance with the laws as they made the application with the NYSDEC to obtain the permit. Upon issuance, the NYSDEC regulates and dictates the provisions for how the work is done including all required testing, etc. They monitor until closure and this is on of the roles the DEC has in protecting our environment as an authoritative body.
John Bogack September 27, 2012 at 07:48 PM
Joe I do not want to lose the focus of this thread by bringing in the audit but you are on point about the larger issue of accurate reporting of village government. In this case there should have been some advance notice to the public because without it legitimate concerns are raised at the last moment because that is what the public has been given....the last moment and as a result suspicions arise. The Mayor would be wise to learn from this episode to include the public more in advance not later when making decisions. If he did he would be remembered as a great Mayor who not only built buildings but also built a real village democracy that would outlast all the physical trappings of new buildings, dredged rivers, village roads finally paved.
Joseph Adriano September 27, 2012 at 07:57 PM
I think that's agains the Mayor's sneaky and manipulative nature John....look at the Patchogue Village facebook page. It's all kissy kissy flowers and fluff and if someone posts anything remotely "negative" they get deleted. It's like he's trying to create his own Stepford reality where only new agey "positive" things are allowed and anything "negative" gets quickly obliterated by his kool aid drinking "volunteers." Why do you think he doesn't want Board meetings on TV? So people like me can't watch and comment. They don't want a real discussion about the issues they want good PR.
John Bogack September 27, 2012 at 10:58 PM
For those interested Mike Sorentino had been able to post as a pdf document the DEC assessment of this permit request from Tritec. Go to the top and click on the link to see the contents. Thanks Mike. And Joe at another time on another post I am going to have quite a lot to say about televising Board meetings. I agree with you we need to see what is going on but I don't think this post is the place to discuss that particular issue right now...but that is an idea whose has time has come and no Mayor no matter how powerful he thinks he is can stand in the way of that particular form of progess forever.
Richard Kemp September 27, 2012 at 11:52 PM
To All: Please do not forget that Tri-Tec hired a firm to perform test borings in the parking lot and I believe North Ocean Ave. The results came back on-line that 11.9 feet below grade you hit water. In other locations 12 feet down you hit water.This is all docummented.the location that has been excavated on Havens Ave is west of all reported borings but between the stream that runs from the Mill Pond to the Patchogue River.All of this is less than 1000 feet of the stream which is a body of water that can never be dammed up because the Mill Pond flows south into the Patchogue River and actually flows underneath West Main St. The site on Havens Ave has been excavated and the wire lathers were in there setting rebar.I guess they will have to have pumps running 24/7 even when the project is completed.
Richard Kemp September 28, 2012 at 12:11 AM
The application to the dec should have been submitted a long time ago. Why has this never been done untill this point in time.??????????? Our Dictator is doing a good job of silencing the public from minutes of trustee's meetings to no meetings on T.V.Only here will there be a truthful exchange of words. There is no more democracy in Patchogue Village with a Dictator in Charge.
jimmy murphy September 28, 2012 at 12:12 AM
Tritec has fat pockets and the Mayor likes to say Yes to them. Tritec gets what Tritec wants
Richard Kemp September 28, 2012 at 12:37 AM
Jimmy Tri-Tec has been telling our Dictator what they will do ever since the start of this project. Remember the original objective was to demolish the Sweezey's Building but got shifted to starting the project with renovations to 31 West Main St.
Baby Boomer September 28, 2012 at 02:08 AM
The fact that dewatering may or may not have to take place has never been a secret; it was discussed more than once since the onset of this project. There's nothing last minute about this. I think common sense would tell us that if we dig deep enough on L.I., we're going to hit water, and if we want to build something, we have to do something about that water, don't we? The truth is that whatever water ends up in the lake, the river, or the bay, is probably cleaner than what is in there now. Is it really necessary for the Mayor to inform the public of every step a contractor takes in this Village? Advance notice that a contractor is applying for a DEC permit? Really? Do people really believe he's paying off the DEC? It's not a big deal; don't let the uninformed make it one.
Tom Olsen September 28, 2012 at 02:09 AM
The question is how much money is going under the table?
Bob September 28, 2012 at 02:33 AM
If Pontieri or Tritec’s goons do the water testing say bye-bye to the fishies!
Underwater September 28, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Need to get US Fish & Wildlife involved in this wholly irresponsible effort! It is not believable that this procedure was not previously determined by principals and typical effort to back-into yet another travesty affecting Patchogue ground water, water table, localized flooding, et al! Think Lombardi', deja vu all over again!
John Bogack September 28, 2012 at 01:05 PM
Interesting comments. Baby Boomer I would say in this case the Mayor should have alerted the public. We are talking here about millions of gallons of ground water being pumped into a lake, a river and the Bay and of course people are going to have legitimate concerns. If they can all be met wtih solid information then why not just provide that information right from the beginning? The Mayor is acting like some kind of contractor who comes to a house and says to the owner I know what I am doing, don't ask me any questions. I am the kind of home owner that likes to ask questions and to know what is going on and I think most people are like that. Remember and at times it is getting harder to do so: he works for us not the other way around. Mr. Kemp also highlights another reason why people just might have some concerns: he is right about potential noise issues. How loud are those pumps? What hours are they going to run? For how long are the pumps going to be used? If you live nearby those are very important questions that bear answering before the operation begins not later or else you get something like the village now has down at the Emporium night club: something ultimately good for the village but now requiring all sorts of emergency planning to curb ill effects on the nearby neighborhoods. Prior notice to the public should help reduce unneccessary tensions resulting in: home property rights are protected, concerns are addressed, business prospers. Everybody wins.
squander n. blunderbush September 28, 2012 at 07:18 PM
Living as I do, near the terminus of Jennings Avenue, I agree with Mr. Kemp that more studies need to be done. I know the bulk of the leaders of the town do not have to partake of noise, dust, "de-watering"...but do know that the rest of the population of this small village need some idea of what is to become of their former, decently-quiet lives.
Al Lofaso September 28, 2012 at 08:33 PM
The only good thing about more studies, is the people getting paid to do the studies. The NIMBY Nuts who are asking for them are not paying for it. If they were, they would take a different position.
Richard Kemp September 29, 2012 at 04:54 PM
A Note for John : I have not said one word about the potential noise problem that may or may not be created by these pumps So please do not put my name to your thoughts. They may be using Electric Pumps that are fairly silent and they could be using Diesel Pumps that are not so silent .Whatever type of Pump it must run 24/7 I have worked on Fire island building Swimming pools that had to have Electric pumps running 24/7 and I have also worked at Shoreham Nuclear Power plant that had diesel pumps running 24/7 and they were loud.As Dirt Doctor said earlier an application to the dec takes time So I'll ask once more WHY WAS THIS APPLICATION NEVER MADE ???????????? I know our Village Officials do look at this forum because they have made comments at times..........
John Bogack September 29, 2012 at 05:14 PM
Richard you need to go back and look at your earlier comments. You did mention that the pumps could be running all day and all night. Up to that point I had never thought of that and yes the noise of those pumps became an issue in my mind. Commercial noise affects my home too: I have diesel trucks running their engines as part of the loading operation of the Blue PT Brewery every week day. Sometimes they are very loud and are on for long periods of time. It's an issue for me that I am struggling with. So I can feel some empathy for anyone facing the prospect of commercial noise in their neighborhood and my empathy goes out to your neighbors. If that becomes a cause for them it's my cause too and I would stand with them. Perhaps you are right, electric engines can be quiet and there will be no real impact but that is something Tritec will have to comment upon in the future. In the meantime I am happy to take full responsibility for raising this concern.
Richard Kemp September 29, 2012 at 05:24 PM
Squander Just to let you know certain studies were done by an engineering firm In particular test borings were made in the old parking lot on the south side of Lake Street to determine how far down you have to go to hit water.I am now going through an excessive amount of rust appearing in my drinking water,something that was not mentioned in any report. A small matter to a construction job the size of Lake St drd Zone but because the water mains in the area are subject to vibration,etc, All of this rust is discharged which causes damage to valves,pumps,etc.The big question remains unanswered by our Officials in Charge WHY WAS THIS APPLICATION TO DEC NEVER MADE UNTILL NOW???????????
Richard Kemp September 29, 2012 at 05:53 PM
John Please read my comments NEVER did I mention Noise issues at all untill YOU decided to make it an issue and then attached MY NAME to noise issues.Please get your act together before you start using other peoples name.
John Bogack September 29, 2012 at 06:09 PM
Mr. Kemp this is the last time I am going to comment on this. I do not need your name to attach to anything that I have to say about noise issues. However you have to get real. This is a discussion. It provokes ideas. People can take from a person's comments their own take on things. If you are going to make comments you have to expect that people are going to have their own individual reactions. When they do it's fair as you have done to object it you think that some distortion may have occurred. That was not my intent if you feel that way. I am totally committed to reforming noise enforcement issues in the village of Patchogue have said so many times and done so independent of anything you may have said or done. I have clarified previously that you are not responsible for anything I have said about how the potential pumping of ground water at the Tritec site may bring about noise concerns. I truly do not know what else to say.
CCOP September 30, 2012 at 02:20 PM
As the last owner occupied home on Lake st., I have my P250 submersible pump primed and ready in my basement.
florence casey September 30, 2012 at 11:54 PM
patch: cyberbullying for adults

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