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DEC: No Flooding Concerns With New Village Water Removal Project

Water being moved would eventually reach Patchogue Lake naturally and eventually flow into Patchogue River, DEC says.

The pumping of some two million gallons of water from the New Village construction site into local storm drains will not cause flooding in the area around Patchogue Lake, a spokesperson with the Suffolk County Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) told Patch.

Bill Fonda, a DEC spokesperson, said that two million gallons of water fills about four Olympic-sized swimming pools, which in the scope of a body of water the size of Patchogue Lake amounts to a small amount of additional volume. He said water pumped from the construction site would reach the lake through natural means at a rate of about one foot per day.

Excess water would go into the Patchogue River, and will not stay in the lake for an extended period of time, Fonda said, adding that sampling of the water has also been completed.

Some residents had expressed concern over the removal of water from the New Village site, which when completed will bring 291 apartments, 46,000 square feet of retail space and 18,000 square feet of office space at the Four Corners intersection in Patchogue Village, at which the former Swezey's Department store was recently demolished.

"Hopefully the lake will not be negatively impacted regardless of the application's outcome," said Elisabeth McGuire in a comment on Patchogue Patch. "Residents do still have concerns about flooding based on past experiences, but I suppose they will be addressing them in their letters to the DEC."

The DEC are accepting public comment in writing to a contact person listed on the application description on the DEC's website through Friday.

John Bogack September 28, 2012 at 01:52 PM
This is good news. And maybe better news could be the formation of a citizens group to monitor all ecological issues on a consistent basis for the village of Patchogue. What this issue has revealed again is that there are multiple issues concerning the health of the Patchogue River, the village's various lakes and creeks, and the Bay that just might deserve the special attention they deserve. Elected officials can only do so much and at times have to compromise various interests as part of the political process. Experience has shown that green issues however sometimes demand a higher standard if we are going to keep our village green during our life time and for times ahead.
Elisabeth McGuire September 28, 2012 at 02:23 PM
Thank you Patch for raising awareness and helping to address some of our questions and concerns. John, that is a great idea and I will reach out to the 'Save the Patchogue Lake' committee members to gauge their interest. This committee is still dealing with the effects of a previous development on Sunrise Highway that has irrevocably harmed our lake, despite the developer's claims to the contrary. The healthiest part of the lake is presently at the south end, and we must do what we can to protect it from any further damage.
David Kennedy September 28, 2012 at 06:07 PM
John, that is an exceptional idea...I will suggest our Stormwater Committee as possibly accepting these responsibilities as you recommend...this issue was addressed at our meeting last night at our meeting by DPW Superintendent Joe Dean...his report was a bit different then what is reported by the DEC above, though also stating there will be no adverse effects from the dewatering. Superintendent Dean explained that in actuallity the underground pipe connecting to the stormwater conveyance system will be directing the pumped groundwater to a spillway that is south of the Patchogue lake, and since waterflow runs south the water will actually never run into Patchogue Lake and will head south down the Patchogue River into the Great South Bay. He did, though, also use the "water in a swimming pool" comparison to give an idea of the amount of water being pumped as less then what the amount may appear as a written number and that it will have no effect to the River's water level. He also did contradict the daily allowable amount being requested on the DEC permit as 1.4 million gallons, not 2 million. He added that the amount is the maximum and not necessarily what the actual daily amount will be from day to day. He estimated the time frame as about a month for this process to be in effect. He also reported the groundwater will be pumped through a large filtration system before it goes ino the stormwater system.
Joseph Adriano September 28, 2012 at 06:19 PM
Why don't you just get rid of the lake and build more housing there? There is a big shortage of rentals you know. You could drain out the river too so fatfish could have expand as it wants and the restaurants could finally build their patios without such a hassle. We need more housing in this town...
PatchawgFatGuy September 28, 2012 at 08:40 PM
That would be silly to drain the lake, where are the toilets from the 291 apartments going to runoff if not into the waters of Lake Patchogue?
steven September 29, 2012 at 02:12 AM
Superintendent Dean? Is that the dude with the big hole in his house?
jimmy murphy September 29, 2012 at 10:14 AM
Dean is one of Pontieri’s “goons”.
annette kattau September 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Lets concentrate on the DEC they have not been enforcing the clean water act, it is 40 years old. The Peconic Bay Keeper is pushing them to comply and if they do not answer there will be a law suit it was in last weeks long island advance. So do we really trust their judgement here. None of todays new buildings or homes and sewerage treatment plants are in true compliance with the clean water act, the towns inspectors are just as at fault regarding the complaincy. Why then do we trust this DEC decision. I am horrified at what is being allowed and everything is going right into our ground water, rivers, bays, lakes etc. I am concerned that anymore apartments or town houses be allowed in Patchogue particularly the Big Fish proposal, how much sewerage can we withstand and especially if they are not using the latest tech. available and the inspectors pass it as they did all previous buildings. Do we not have enough enviromental hazards going on here. There are many along the patchogue River that have not even been addressed, they are just not there!!!
John Bogack September 29, 2012 at 04:56 PM
Well I do think it is a good idea to get a citizens group together to monitor the multiple issues that involve the village. Annette's comments are right on point and just reinforce the need for this. One of the disturbing aspects of all this however remains inconsistent information about just how this process is going to occur. Water into the Lake or not? Ground water filtered by the ground naturally or by using some kind of filteration system? The Mayor is the source of some information, the DEC other information, Joe Dean has another take, they all over lap and sometimes do not intersect so to speak. And Tritec had fallen into voicelessness too. No wonder people are confused. The Mayor in my opinion took this matter too lightly when asked about this just this Monday night. The concerns expressed are not trivial. It just reinforces in my mind why outside of the village government there is a need for an advocacy group. We need independent views, facts that can be depended upon, leaders who do not have perceived conflicts of interest. When I contacted the DEC their representative did say that maybe no dewatering might occur because it is very expensive to do. That is something Tritec could comment upon right now actually. But if they do have to go ahead with it I am going to expect that vilage noise codes relating to commercial sound will be forcefully imposed. I support the New Village project but neighborhood concerns count and need to be protected.
Patchogue Snoop October 14, 2012 at 01:02 PM
Gas Can Paulie cares about one thing..........himself. Can anyone tell me if this was addressed in the original Environmental Impact Study? If not, the project should be halted asap and this issued studied by experts not some DEC hack. I deal with them all the time...they side with the developers all the time and stick to a citizen building a single family home. Can't walk on a weed that grows near the water but they don't consider the cumulative impact of approving construction of thousands of homes on the water that impact one body of water as a whole negatively. Gee, I wonder if we will be sucking up all those chemicals dumped over the years at the Lace Mill and introducing them to the river? Were there any sampling wells drilled on the site to determine if a plume is there or will be developed from the mill and the brown field site on West Main?????? One other thing, anyone see if they did asbestos abatement in the building????? I didn't see any containment units outside. What about lead paint??? I'll bet not. Paulie's town...with a wink and a nod....it is Christmas time for his pals/relatives who made millions from his admins sweetheart zoning/building/planning decisions. Rose, Felice, Fuscillo....hmmm see a pattern here. DA Spota has failed Patchogians in that he will never ever investigate PP and put him and his gang in jail where they belong.
Patchogue Snoop October 14, 2012 at 01:04 PM
Or should I use a term PP is familiar with.....he is in their pocket...set up like a bowling pin..

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